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- May 2nd, 2010 at 13:57 | #1
Renee,
It is not clear from your story as to what particular stigma led to the government taking away your children. I guess your children are still not with you. And what of their father? What is your work now?
If you ever decide to visit England via Gatwick or Heathrow you may stay with me in my flat on the coast overlooking the sea. You coulrent out your flat for a month or so.Paul Kelly
- October 15th, 2010 at 00:49 | #2
Hi there Renee,
I tried to read your story and the links dont work. SO I couldnt get to it. Still learning what it is all about whet my appetite as I love to promote causes that are Christian and with foundation. would love to know about your children and why MA took them through child welfare/social services
Please do tell by email and listen girl, I may have a paying job or two laying around in one of my ministries.
Lastly your site needs help and I volunteer to do it and not because I am a man and you are a woman just because you seem like a great person and now I am absolutely hooked on the notion I want to know about your hardship, pain and children. I will do a great job on the site for you free
- October 15th, 2010 at 00:50 | #3
Hi there Renee,
I tried to read your story and the links dont work. SO I couldnt get to it. Still learning what it is all about whet my appetite as I love to promote causes that are Christian and with foundation. would love to know about your children and why MA took them through child welfare/social services
You can see more of my work at http://www.thelatterchoice.org
Please do tell by email and listen girl, I may have a paying job or two laying around in one of my ministries.
Lastly your site needs help and I volunteer to do it and not because I am a man and you are a woman just because you seem like a great person and now I am absolutely hooked on the notion I want to know about your hardship, pain and children. I will do a great job on the site for you free
- December 13th, 2010 at 22:46 | #4
I think that what I wrote before was not registered. You are beautiful pregnant!
- December 27th, 2014 at 07:53 | #5
oh my god! i am so sorry for what i can only imagine in how you must feel.
and i mean it home birth can be done and i know many women who would help make that a reality for you -
- December 29th, 2014 at 09:39 | #7
i had a breach home birth of my son by accident (2nd born of three) and it was a synch, and i was by myself, i think if people were there it only would have taken more time, because I have been so hurt by people in my life it would have been very hard to feel and stay as calm, but honestly I was waiting for the ambulance, after waiting too long for my son’s dad, and feeling increasingly uncomfortable with going to the hospital in his truck, and in seconds basically he was born, right after I hung up from calling them, amazing and simple, they really make a lot of hype about birthing being difficult so they can make money off it, and control it, but it is a woman’s right to realize this is her domain and is between her her children and God, it is very easy and natural, animals do it all the time… quite easily, like me and my son did… thanks for your comment Sarah. : ) @sarah
- October 11th, 2015 at 13:03 | #8
Hi Renee, I met you today at the ISEPP conference. And I am so sorry for your awful situation. It was nice to meet you, and I hope all works out for you,
- October 11th, 2015 at 21:09 | #9
thank you for saying hello Robert.
one can only walk in the now, no matter how untenable… the mind can take journeys, the mind can create worlds, but the today, this breath it is all we have….
I’ll need partners friends and allies to make some headway on this one!
thank you for sharing your work with me today!
- October 11th, 2015 at 21:10 | #10
Hey by the way, I am going to be rewriting this post for the Mad in America site…. Renee LaPlume
- October 11th, 2015 at 21:36 | #11
Dr. Berezin, please read this page! http://www.loveneverlost.com/?page_id=2
- November 18th, 2015 at 17:22 | #12
Paul does this work for reading what I posted, please go to this page:http://www.loveneverlost.com/?page_id=2
- November 18th, 2015 at 17:23 | #13
Bill how have you been, you can read what I wrote on the 2nd page, check here:http://www.loveneverlost.com/?page_id=2
Rene your story is touching and moving. I encourage you to keep this public. A lot of what people are able to get away with comes from the fact that they can operate under a shroud of secrecy. If I could make a suggestion it would be that you display the agencies which help with this particular issue. There are watchdog groups who exist to combat just this kind of injustice. Advocates are available. I am still going through a process that has lasted me almost 17 years. I’ve seen just about every kind of behaviors allowed in a so call civilized society. The way I was able to not have my own reaction to horrific actions was to have advocates. Shining the light on atrocities is the first step in being able to eliminate them. The anonymous factor protects people who themselves should be held accountable for their own sin. When we are able to name names I believe the system will change. I intend to do just that as soon as my process is over and my child won’t be in danger of reprisal. Keep up the good work and thanks for your courage and inspiration. I believe that help is on the way and that it starts with you and I. I am praying for you.
Renee–Your story has so much courage in it that it makes me cry. The issues that people that have suffered some form of mental illness increases every day. It is so bad to be stereotyped by the courts as not being competent enough to take care of your children. You have a very hard fight ahead of you. Documentation from your boss and your co-workers, family, therapist, pastor, landlord and anyone else that knows you are capable of raising your children are vital when dealing with the courts. It is sad that society labels people that do not think as quickly as others, or make assumptions that people do not move progressively faster than the rest of society to be mentally unstable. I wish you the best in getting your story told.
It was nice sharing stories with you via telephone.
Please see http://www.justodians.org for a bigger connection to the bigger problem. His name is John Shearing, and I think he can help collaborate to make your story more available to the masses.
Peace and Love
J Bennett
renee,
i am sorry for the hell you must be living. i have a huge mistrust of professionals in social services and for psychiatrists. you reinforce my fears about the ignorance, stupidity, arrogance, and total disrespect for the rights of others in the social service systems today. keep fighting, dear lady.
Hi Renee,
Thanks for sharing your important story with us. I admire your courage and hope that you will be reunited with your children.
It is unfortunate that some people set themselves up to know what is best for others.
Your children are very lucky to have a mother like you. You are a shining star.
Keep speaking your truth and never let the matter rest. A great injustice has been done that destroyed a family system based on prejudice and discrimination. When you speak out, you speak for all the mothers and children that have suffered. We cannot be silenced and told to get over it, it was in your or their “best interest”. I hope that you know that in your struggle you are representing many and this will be some balm to your mourning the devastating loss of your children.
I cannot even begin to describe the wrong that has been done to you.
I am in utter stunned disbelief that this could possibly happen to anyone in the free world.
It just goes to show us all that NO One is safe from the big brother state that the masses seems hell bent on surrendering to and that in the end it will enslave us all just as is fortold in the book of revelation
Dear Renee,
“I have had you in my mind and heart ~ so feel for you and what happened.
“who says life is fair “, I always say to myself.
So unfair those with money and influence would never have had that happen.
It is true ~ not all people are treated the same with the same principlles, it is not a science like medicine, nursing, Renee..It was a few people’s opinion…..
It makes me sad and sick as I personally know so many people this has happened to.
Reform is so needed and never would they admit nor apologize for the lives they destroyed.
I just say, Renee, God knows your heart and judgement is not a good thing as people can not predict into the future.
Money , power, born in a priveleged family it never would have happened, and that is the truth. ~ jUDY xoxo”
Dear Renee,
thanks for adding me. I am very moved by your story. I wonder if you know these websites:
mindfreedom.org…with David Oaks the founder.
and also Jim Gottstein a lawyer from Alaska and also a survivor of psychiatry, with psychrights.org
I think we ought to start an International Foundation for Justice where honest lawyers would be paid by the public, a kind of non-political Foundation. They create foundations in health, education but how about Justice with a big “J”!
I would love to correspond with you and am leaving you my email address:
clairelongpre@hotmail.com
Have you ever thought of sending your story to Readers Digest?
My heart goes out to you. I want to share also with you another site with Sean Blackwell
newlightbeings.com
Sean produced incredible videos on youtube.com
His nickname is:
bipolarorwakingup
Sending you my prayers and best thoughts and hoping to share my story openly one day writing my autobiography.
Amitiés,
Claire (*_*)
Sadly this is not the first similar case I have heard of. This is an inspiring story and website. I am a survivor of forced psychiatric treatment. I have been doing the same thing you did, which is tell doctors about what happened to me and how harmful medications are. This story strikes fear in the hearts of all moms.
Renee, thank you for your story! I feel for you and understand some of it because of close people in my life are/or did use psycotics to keep their illness controlled. You did not mention what kind of mental ills you have had and or in controll of. Blessed Be Sweet Beloved One!
Verna, I didn’t mention diagnosis or drugs because it was a journey that was unnecessary and brought only pain, I was labeled with a major mental illness back in the mid 80’s, it was later called “atypical blah blah blah”, and in the end when I had already been healed for years and my children were born and taken away from me at birth I sought out psychiatric help to verify this to the baby stealers, it took them some time to do this, while they always stated my children should be with me and should be returned and they were not concerned about anything, they were slow to upheave and deny all the labels that had been set down before, it took some years while we were still at trial, or on appeal, but they did agree, I not only do not suffer a major mental illness or any mental illness, but the label that I bore for all those years, according to the experts I spent innumerable hours interviewing with was unlikely or impossible… they tell me this as I look out the back window of my life, watching it all go by, passed behind, my children taken for psychiatric lies, psychiatric idiocy, psychiatric control, and there are no apologies, no amends, no recognitions at all, I am so invisible in all of it, it is as if it never happened at all.
Since I myself was labeled so long with a major mental illness and now am seen as completely healed it casts doubt for me on every other soul similarly circumstanced, are they ill? I have to ask, or is this circumstance, is this something that can be worked through, with understanding and with love.
My answer is not to use drugs (medications), but everyone has the right to their own path, their own road, people deserve respect, and people who survive a label deserve a lot, even admiration, for there is something very cold and cruel about stigma, it blows all reason out of the arena, it seems insurmountable, I am still struggling with it now, more than 12 years after I had healed, 5 and 6 plus years since my children were born, I struggle still, and perhaps I always will….
Thank you for writing everyone and offering your support to me and your perspectives.
Renee LaPlume
I did suffer something Verna, but I resolved it, and I think I could have done without the psychiatric name calling (labels), it never resolved anything, it never helped, it only served to alienate me and deny me equality, and in the end to empower haters to take my children simply because they “wanted to” and they “could”.
I suffered PTSD as close as I can see, whatever it was, it came out in stress, and basicall terror, at times when I was losing my housing, and because of likely very early life experiences that had never been addressed or resolved, situations of abuse.
I resolved it enough that I can function “normally”, which I see honestly almost as a detriment, for once I could abandon All and start again, now I am simply stuck like everyone else in the adult world of “reality” with all its western misery…. when I was young I used to bend, now I fear I can only break, when pushed against, I break and crack, when once my mind was pliable, now it is becoming broken and old, so hurt.
I feel there is much that we can learn from “craziness” and those of us with the courage to go there….. of which I am no longer one.
My mental “illness” was recovered and resolved long before the birth of my children, but that didn’t change a thing, for bigots say once ill always ill and they claim drugs/medications are the only cure. I am living proof that those are lies, You CAN take control of your life and heal, it might not be easy, but it IS possible. The issue still from my perspective is dealing with the hate and ignorance that surrounds mental/emotional difference, mental/emotional “disability”, Fear compels these people, and their own ignorance, the problem is all the damage that they are allowed to do, for problems which are essentially their own, the problem is taking back our lives from haters, and making them our own.
This remains a major issue for me… all the doctors lined up to say I am not “disabled”, not “sick”, yet still they stole my children and had to answer to NO BODY, not a soul within society, they lock the court room doors, they lock the court room files, saying that “juveniles” are involved, but my babies were newborns, there is nothing that happened to them at all, nothing to hide, this is all about what they did to ME, and they control the information, the question is how can it be corrected, how can people learn what went on, where no light can be shown?
This is a question I would like to put out to YOU. And I thank you all for reading my story this far, it means a lot to me to be heard.
Thank you.
Hi Renee,
I encourage you to keep fighting, even if nothing is resolved You should remind them regularly that they were wrong. It’s unbelievable that this state has set up an agency where people decide what will happen with a family and no matter what you do, they don’t have to review that decision. They are not always right and yet they can decide that they are, and that’s the opinion you have to live with. It seems criminal.
Dear Suzanne,
Thank you for your comment and I agree completely about reminding them and not going away. I also agree that the lack of real ability to have anything reviewed is criminal, this is a crime not just against me, not just against my children but against our very society.
Thanks for reading… feel free to pass on the link. http://www.loveneverlost.com/?page_id=2 It may take 50 years but at some point the shame and the Change will Come.
Thank you for your support! I am sure your comments will comfort my children, someday, as well as surely being upsetting as they come to know the truth of what was done to them and its baselessness.
Renee
Your article helped me heal. It meant so much to know that I’m not alone in my experience and beliefs. You are so strong for sharing your story. While it’s tragic that sometimes parents go crazy and hurt their kids, medical “professionals” shouldn’t force psychotherapy and drugs on people as a preemptive measure. Should they just take everyone’s kids away just in case? Isolated incidents don’t justify the intrusion. The fact that the Fort Hood shooter was himself a psychiatrist affirms my skepticism towards the profession.
Dearest Renee,
As someone who was taken from my mother at age 4.5, neither of us ever quite overcame the heartbreak…my heart goes out to you. Someday your children will know the truth. I learned the truth around age 19-20, managed to break through the veil of lies and see that indeed, my mother (labeled schizophrenic) was the sanest person in my family and the one I most want to emulate. I try every day to live her values of freedom, social consciousness, creativity, and spirituality.
Alas, psychiatry killed her at the age of 46, when I was only 20 but I am grateful that we had some moments together when I saw her for whom she really was, a whole - not broken - and beautiful person. I’m proud to be her daughter and even death cannot break the bond we share.
I hope and pray for the truth to come out and for you to have that experience of reconnecting with your children. Let’s figure out a way to work together to raise awareness around this issue and fight to keep families from being ripped apart in this most inhuman manner.
By the way I too was labeled and diagnosed, and I am the single mother of a 4 year old boy. I have lived with the fear that his father would use the “mental illness” card to take him away, especially if I ever go into a prolonged period of severe emotional distress. So far I have been able to avoid that, but it is horrible to live with that specter.
Lots of love and light to you, dear sister. Never give up.
Leah
Renee, I am so sorry that you and your children have had to have your lives interrupted by people who just don’t care! I have questions as to what the mental illness that they classified you under? Did they have a psychiatrist see you? Did they discuss anything about the medications that could or would have been used? Many of these medications cause problems to an unborn child! Did they take that into consideration? I would like you to post this on my FB wall! You keep fighting honey and don’t give up!! You and your kids have the right and nobody should take that away from you!
Dr Patty
dear Renee,
no one should have to go through what you went through, with your own children being taken from you by the government.
psychiatric labels are only the tools that the supposedly “powerful” (or power-mad) people use to have as leverage to try to control other people for money.
if there is anything i can do to help, let me know. i am just one person, and i live in a small town in minnesota, but i will do what i can.
Sincerely,
Christopher Heimarck
My heart breaks to finally read your story, Renee. People struggle… it’s called life. Some struggle more than others. Some cannot overcome the struggle without help (IMHO peer help is the best help). Some don’t survive the struggle. I admire your perseverence, your courage… and you could not fight as you are if you were severely struggling. How dare they!! Who are they to decide?? I have no use for traditional psychiatry, precious little use for medications (tho I can appreciate that there are times they are necessary and for some, lifelong. I have even less use for the almighty society that can determine whether or not a person is fit to raise a child. I pray for your reunion with your wee ones… any child would be blessed Happy Christmas and a Merry New Year
Dear Renee,
http://www.mindfreedom.org/
the above is a web site called mind freedom. i have been a member of mind freedom for a few years now. they might be able to help you. another way to contact them is
1 877 MAD PRIDE
by phone.
i have always found David Oaks to be respectful and an honorable man, and he is the head of mind freedom, which is actually a group of groups. an affiliation of groups.
so i would call that number and ask to speak to David Oaks. maybe he can help you, maybe not, but he is a sympathetic voice because he too was at one time oppressed by “the system.”
sincerely,
Christopher Heimarck
Renee,
This is discrimination. And you can file a suit against the state for it.
I “healed” my daughter of “Schizophrenia” with first dietary supplements, then good food, then raw food, along the way she gave up alcohol, instant coffee, soft drinks, junk food, cigarettes and finally antidepressants. She found a spirituality that suits her and her passion in life. She would love to have children one day. I would support her right to do so and raise them herself to the ends of the earth. Isn’t there a saying about the mark of a society is how it treats it’s most vulnerable?
Very best wishes
Karen Bartz
A lot of people said it
Mahatma Ghandi said, “A nation’s greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.”
Churchill said that you measure the degree of civilisation of a society by how it treats its weakest members.
Truman said a society will be judged by how it treats its weakest members.
“Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members — the last, the least, the littlest.”
~Cardinal Roger Mahony, In a 1998 letter, Creating a Culture of Life
It is said that the worth of society can be measured by the manner in which it treats its weakest member.
“The greatness of any city can be judged by the way it treats its weakest member.” You can judge the character and quality of life in a community by how it treats its weakest members
It is said that a civilization is measured by how it treats its weakest members - including, of course, it children.
“The test of any society is how it treats its weakest members.”
“The moral test of any society is how it treats its weakest members.”
“A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members and among the most vulnerable are surely the unborn and the dying,”
~Pope John Paul II
Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.~Pearl S. Buck (1892-1973), My Several Worlds [1954].
The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children.
~Dietrich Bonhoeffer
A decent provision for the poor is the true test of civilization.
~Samuel Johnson, Boswell: Life of Johnson
The most certain test by which we judge whether a country is really free is the amount of security enjoyed by minorities.~John E. E. Dalberg, Lord Acton, The History of Freedom in Antiquity, [1877].
“…the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. ” ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey
The greatness of America is in how it treats its weakest members: the elderly, the infirm, the handicapped, the underprivileged, the unborn. ~Bill Federer
My children were treated abominably, and I hope someday they have the werewithal to raise their voices about it…. for the ‘unborn’, its even worse….
What can I say it is quite the same story. I got pregnant of a poet my first lover at the age of 21 after passsing 6 years in what they still call hospitals. Asylums and fancy sanatorium for the crazy that was 38 years ago. After 30 ECT and 6 years of Neuroleptics I withdrawal the pills alone in a room in Montreal Quebec before being pregnant and became a single mother. My family and the horrible doctors try to get my little girl but I told them I would take a lawyer and there was no question that I would suffer more of what they made me suffer as a teen ager. I succeeded and my girl is now one of the best chocolate exquisite business women in Quebec. Then what the fuck with their genetic theories that are lie and scary stupidities. I got a life was not easy especially love with men because my heart was broken. I took the difficult path of activism to heal some of the wounds and offer the better of myself to promote alternatives to those barbaric methods that I think of being against human rights. Later after the birth of my beautiful Felix I studied in law school and became a worker in the alternative settings in Quebec for a few years. I open a little office and began in 1999 to defend rights of incarcerated people and got very tired and poor. Moved to the country in Southern Quebec with my cat my children being adults and successful Here I am working for a research project in University of Montreal that work in collaboration with the movement in Brazil.
I’ve been here a few times and it appears like your articles get much more informative every time. Maintain it up I appreciate reading them.
I do enjoy the way you have presented this specific challenge plus it really does provide me personally a lot of fodder for thought. On the other hand, coming from everything that I have observed, I really wish when the actual remarks pile on that people today remain on issue and not embark on a tirade associated with the news du jour. Anyway, thank you for this excellent piece and while I can not really agree with it in totality, I value the viewpoint.
All I can say is WOW! Great seeing you at USPRA today, very uplifting
spirit you have! Very well written material Renee! Great Job!
A friend of mine has this suggestion:
She needs to contact the OJ Simpson Atty in Boston. He’s helping run the Innocence Project there. Barry Scheck, something or other. He helped get the gal’s brother, wrongfully convicted of murder, freed after some 20 years. She was a high school drop out who went all the way thru law school - just to free her brother who she knew was innocent and had been rail-roaded by a corrupt police department and prosecutor.
Just his type of case.
Thank you Bob, can your friend make an inquiry and see if they are interested. I feel I’ve tried the entire population of Boston, three times over, and no one is willing to help me, address the rights and losses of my stolen children.
Hey! I could have sworn I’ve been to this blog before but after checking through some of the post I realized it’s
new to me. Anyways, I’m definitely glad I found it and I’ll be bookmarking and checking back often!
Renee,
Did Brooke Shields ever contact you? Prior to my first hospitalization, I did some post production photography of her for Columbia in the
film - Blue Lagoon. There are many - way to many- stories of injustice done in the name of protecting people, and we must work to reduce them. Get the book - Healing Trauma by Peter Levine. After reading it you may want to join with me in advocating its methods and info by the courts & police.
Renee, my heart goes out to you; I can’t imagine the heartbreak that you have gone through. I wish you continued strength and my thoughts and prayers are with you.
Today, I went to the beach front with my children.
I found a sea shell and gave it to my 4 year old daughter and said “You can hear the ocean if you put this to your ear.” She put the shell to her ear and screamed.
There was a hermit crab inside and it pinched her ear.
She never wants to go back! LoL I know this is entirely off topic but I had to
tell someone!
Renee that is awful what you went through - do you have your kids back now? did brook shields ever contact you.
our government is so messed up to do something like this to you.
your constitutional rights have been stomped on and you were basically helpless to do anything about it. i am hoping beyond hope that you have your kids back and that you are suing the state for stealing your kids for no reason whatsoever. i have been messed over by the state as well but not the same as you. i never had any kids. i am so very sorry for you and your family and would like to help somehow but i am unable to do so. i can be your ear if you need it - and you can always email or call me any time you want to
No I have not gotten my children back. I am sure they will do everything possible to try to ensure that they will never learn their birth names which they were given by me. Brooke Shields nor Tom Cruise ever contacted me. More people’s lives are currently being destroyed. There is no justice for those without the money to Buy it. Not in America. Land of the rich and the unlawfully discriminating. When you have money you can buy what is right and what is law. Black lives matter, only populations like the one that I was trying to help by being open and disclosing, well, we are still invisible,… if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
I would have to guess, from my experience, No, it does not.
So sad. The medical industry has run a muck. I would think this would be a great challenge for Dr Phil!
Hi Renee ~ My heart goes out to you….. Love, Annie <3